Larry made a box around the entrance to the septic tank and filled it with concrete to seal the hole. He is very thorough. It's working great and will be finally done when we fill the trench back up. My brother, Jimmy, suggested we get bags of rock salt to cover the pipe. He says the salt will discourage root infiltration in the future. One problem I didn't consider is that Larry said rock salt is only used to make ice cream down here. I wonder if we will even find enough to do the job. We haven't looked yet, but we will before finishing up. Who knew?
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Showing posts with label septic. Show all posts
Friday, March 5, 2010
Almost done.
Larry made a box around the entrance to the septic tank and filled it with concrete to seal the hole. He is very thorough. It's working great and will be finally done when we fill the trench back up. My brother, Jimmy, suggested we get bags of rock salt to cover the pipe. He says the salt will discourage root infiltration in the future. One problem I didn't consider is that Larry said rock salt is only used to make ice cream down here. I wonder if we will even find enough to do the job. We haven't looked yet, but we will before finishing up. Who knew?
Thursday, March 4, 2010
We have septic!
My husband is a genius. He really can fix anything! By 6pm last night, I flushed the toilet in our "bathroom of fear", and was flushed with relief and release as I watched the most perfect swirling motion head down the bowl. The sound of running water, unobstructed down the new PVC pipe outside was music to both our ears. I cleaned the room and we have now reclaimed it. No longer does "fear of flushing" live there. Larry has vanquished the monster with his wielding power saw, wrenches and brawn. What a man!
As he removed the old pipe, we could not believe the amount of roots in there and in the entrance to the tank. The surrounding trees were living well off that area. They will be dead next year anyway, as we will have to remove them to make room for an expanding kitchen and a new laundry room. I documented the entire event with my digital camera for posterity.
Today, he will seal the tank entrance with concrete and that will be that! We may wait a day or two to fill the trench back in, just to make sure there are no leaks. So far, so good. I choose that bathroom first now, just to do it. I avoided it for so long out of fear of overflow. No more, Baby!
We also have to get the area cleaned up fast today. It's hard to keep the pups from licking the old dirty pipes. Dawgs.
Tuesday, March 2, 2010
Septic Update
Well, Larry dug about eighteen inches down along the south side of the "coffin-shaped" (his words) septic tank where he guessed the outtake pipe would be. He didn't find it. "That's ok, though," he said, "I remember that in the old days, sometimes the outtakes were put just inches above the bottom of the tank. I didn't find it near the top, so that must be the case with this one. That means I won't run into it when I replace the intake. Now I can move onto the replacement." So he went back to Lowe's to buy more four-inch PVC pipe and other supplies.
He wants to make sure that when he cuts the eight-foot length of pipe to the size he needs, he can cut it "square". So, he built a miter box out of old arsenic-pressure-treated boards we saved from renovating the dock. We can't burn that wood because of the potential noxious fumes, so he'll use it to build stuff as he thinks of useful things to make. Alkaline Copper is used in pressure-treated wood now-a-days.
It's raining today, so Larry gets a rest day from hard labor. He just laid those sturdy lattice panels that used to be a privacy screen for the outdoor shower over the hole to keep our very curious puppies out of it. Now he can get back to trying to make our new printer respond to this laptop.
He wants to make sure that when he cuts the eight-foot length of pipe to the size he needs, he can cut it "square". So, he built a miter box out of old arsenic-pressure-treated boards we saved from renovating the dock. We can't burn that wood because of the potential noxious fumes, so he'll use it to build stuff as he thinks of useful things to make. Alkaline Copper is used in pressure-treated wood now-a-days.
It's raining today, so Larry gets a rest day from hard labor. He just laid those sturdy lattice panels that used to be a privacy screen for the outdoor shower over the hole to keep our very curious puppies out of it. Now he can get back to trying to make our new printer respond to this laptop.
Monday, March 1, 2010
Back to the Septic Fix
Larry lost sleep last night worrying about how to approach installing a new intake pipe into the tank. One of the "fixes" for our septic problem, is to create a "drop" for the flow from our house to the tank. He discovered that the existing pipe has about a two inch rise instead of a drop. Fluids can flow uphill, once roots are removed, but solids cannot. He dug up to the wall of the homemade tank to reveal a rim of brick. He grew up down here and, as a teenager, built a septic system and tank with his grandfather.
Where he grew up, outside of Columbia, he was in "the sandhills". Drainage is excellent there. In those days, one dug a hole about five feet deep, lined it with concrete block that was filled with concrete; leaving the bottom open. Then they cut an intake hole and an outtake hole a few inches from the top, and lined them with cement. The drain field was a series of shallow, rectangular (about eighteen inches long) concrete blocks cut in half and laid open-face-down on the ground with about an inch or so of separation between them. Stones were laid between and around the separations, then sand and soil covered it all up. The fluid found its way through the stones (that kept soil from getting into the "pipes") into the sand for leaching.
Here, we are in yellow and red clay that over time turns to rock with compression. Also, one to three-inch quartz-like rocks are peppered throughout the clay to make digging a chore, and ruins the tips of shovels and axe-blades alike. If you chop at a root in the ground, you inevitably hit rock, which chips at the blades and the edges. We really don't know how Fred, the previous late owner, designed this septic system. But Larry has ventured a guess about where the outtake pipe is located and how far down on the tank it is. He has to do more digging today to find that outtake point, possibly having to remove some of the soil over the tank lid, being careful not to compromise the lid or chip it in any serious way. The location of the tank is a walking area, so care has to be given for safety reasons.
He lost sleep because he is afraid of what will happen if he breaches the wall of the tank in order to replace the intake cast-iron pipe with PVC. This project has so far been a mushroom of discoveries. He has to lower the pipe overall to create a "drop", which will increase the efficiency of the flow to the tank. PVC is nice and slick, so solids will move through it cleanly. But without the drop angle, they may continue to sit at the new forty-five degree bend he will create. The terra-cotta bend now is about ninety degrees.
I called my brother, Jim, this morning, who works with septic systems in Massachusetts as a career, for a consultation. Larry surmised that in the 1950's when our system was built, the technology was about the same everywhere: there were fewer rules, homeowners did the work themselves, and the design was kept pretty simple. Jimmy suggested to Larry that he not worry about replacing, or creating, a "T" ballast inside the tank for the intake pipe (which would allow waste to flow and drop into the tank, while preventing back-flow). Jim suggested he just remove the cast-iron pipe, chisel the hole lower, and after the new PVC is installed, just plug up the hole and the entire entry area with a wheelbarrow of cement, allowing waste to just pour into the tank. Larry read online that plugging the holes with cement is a common practice now, as it was when he was a boy. Jim's advice was very helpful, and now Larry is outside digging.
Our plan within a year is to completely replace this entire septic system anyway when we renovate the house. We just need a system that works until then. We are both sick of having to snake the pipe every three days to prevent toilet overflow, and flow of disgusting-looking "stuff" into the tub next to the toilet. Another problem is that the kitchen sink empties into this system. So when the system clogs, any water from the kitchen sink also causes junk to rise up into the bottom of the tub. It is truly disgusting and rusty-looking. No smells to deal with at all, amazingly. Just a tub that is very difficult to keep clean.
Right now, I don't use that toilet. If I have to, and we have a note taped to the toilet lid for family and guests, pee in the toilet, I leave paper in the plastic-shopping-bag-lined waste basket. I'm sure some of you are yelling, "TMI" (Too Much Information), right now, but I thought a true picture of our predicament was warranted to get the full, quality-of-life impact of the problem.
Because this project is taking longer than expected (there's only room for one person to dig), it may be the only large project we get completed in our remaining weeks here. We will be heading back up north at the end of the month to begin preparing our Massachusetts house for sale, hopefully this summer. And, we own my sister's house up there, so we will also be putting that on the market at the same time. She says she's ready to move on, so here we go! We are not at a loss for work, that's for sure. This is retirement?
Now you know why we enjoy coffee and breakfast in a leisurely manner each morning. We have to gear up for the hours ahead each day and make sure our plan still makes sense. And, we take a few hours to relax and watch the changing light on the water, the rising of the lake level, how many fisherman are braving the cold and wind in what kinds of boats, and most importantly, the birds outside our windows fighting over turf surrounding the feeder and splashing in the birdbath. We keep binoculars on the table next to the sofa to check out bird markings, and to see far away. More about bird watching in another blog.
Where he grew up, outside of Columbia, he was in "the sandhills". Drainage is excellent there. In those days, one dug a hole about five feet deep, lined it with concrete block that was filled with concrete; leaving the bottom open. Then they cut an intake hole and an outtake hole a few inches from the top, and lined them with cement. The drain field was a series of shallow, rectangular (about eighteen inches long) concrete blocks cut in half and laid open-face-down on the ground with about an inch or so of separation between them. Stones were laid between and around the separations, then sand and soil covered it all up. The fluid found its way through the stones (that kept soil from getting into the "pipes") into the sand for leaching.
Here, we are in yellow and red clay that over time turns to rock with compression. Also, one to three-inch quartz-like rocks are peppered throughout the clay to make digging a chore, and ruins the tips of shovels and axe-blades alike. If you chop at a root in the ground, you inevitably hit rock, which chips at the blades and the edges. We really don't know how Fred, the previous late owner, designed this septic system. But Larry has ventured a guess about where the outtake pipe is located and how far down on the tank it is. He has to do more digging today to find that outtake point, possibly having to remove some of the soil over the tank lid, being careful not to compromise the lid or chip it in any serious way. The location of the tank is a walking area, so care has to be given for safety reasons.
He lost sleep because he is afraid of what will happen if he breaches the wall of the tank in order to replace the intake cast-iron pipe with PVC. This project has so far been a mushroom of discoveries. He has to lower the pipe overall to create a "drop", which will increase the efficiency of the flow to the tank. PVC is nice and slick, so solids will move through it cleanly. But without the drop angle, they may continue to sit at the new forty-five degree bend he will create. The terra-cotta bend now is about ninety degrees.
I called my brother, Jim, this morning, who works with septic systems in Massachusetts as a career, for a consultation. Larry surmised that in the 1950's when our system was built, the technology was about the same everywhere: there were fewer rules, homeowners did the work themselves, and the design was kept pretty simple. Jimmy suggested to Larry that he not worry about replacing, or creating, a "T" ballast inside the tank for the intake pipe (which would allow waste to flow and drop into the tank, while preventing back-flow). Jim suggested he just remove the cast-iron pipe, chisel the hole lower, and after the new PVC is installed, just plug up the hole and the entire entry area with a wheelbarrow of cement, allowing waste to just pour into the tank. Larry read online that plugging the holes with cement is a common practice now, as it was when he was a boy. Jim's advice was very helpful, and now Larry is outside digging.
Our plan within a year is to completely replace this entire septic system anyway when we renovate the house. We just need a system that works until then. We are both sick of having to snake the pipe every three days to prevent toilet overflow, and flow of disgusting-looking "stuff" into the tub next to the toilet. Another problem is that the kitchen sink empties into this system. So when the system clogs, any water from the kitchen sink also causes junk to rise up into the bottom of the tub. It is truly disgusting and rusty-looking. No smells to deal with at all, amazingly. Just a tub that is very difficult to keep clean.
Right now, I don't use that toilet. If I have to, and we have a note taped to the toilet lid for family and guests, pee in the toilet, I leave paper in the plastic-shopping-bag-lined waste basket. I'm sure some of you are yelling, "TMI" (Too Much Information), right now, but I thought a true picture of our predicament was warranted to get the full, quality-of-life impact of the problem.
Because this project is taking longer than expected (there's only room for one person to dig), it may be the only large project we get completed in our remaining weeks here. We will be heading back up north at the end of the month to begin preparing our Massachusetts house for sale, hopefully this summer. And, we own my sister's house up there, so we will also be putting that on the market at the same time. She says she's ready to move on, so here we go! We are not at a loss for work, that's for sure. This is retirement?
Now you know why we enjoy coffee and breakfast in a leisurely manner each morning. We have to gear up for the hours ahead each day and make sure our plan still makes sense. And, we take a few hours to relax and watch the changing light on the water, the rising of the lake level, how many fisherman are braving the cold and wind in what kinds of boats, and most importantly, the birds outside our windows fighting over turf surrounding the feeder and splashing in the birdbath. We keep binoculars on the table next to the sofa to check out bird markings, and to see far away. More about bird watching in another blog.
Saturday, February 27, 2010
Fixing the Septic
After eight years of an overflowing toilet in "The Flipper" bathroom, Larry now has the time to hand-dig out the septic pipe to the tank to see what the problem is. The dig is back-wrenching work in clay and rock. But at 60, Larry is up to the task. He may complain of a stiff back and feeling like his humped-over father taking a stroll across the room to loosen it up, but he is taking his time. Hot showers and aspirin provide some discomfort relief for him. But, "He's all right."
Larry decided power equipment was too brutal for the sensitive area where the septic pipe co-habitates underground with power wires and water pipes. His brother brought over a professional concrete cutting saw, so they could cut out the pad for the outdoor shower Larry also had to remove. The sturdy lattice privacy panels surrounding steel walls for the shower stall sat directly over the bend in the septic pipe. Underneath was a nest of roots, as expected. The pipe was a conglomerate of cast-iron pipe nested into a terracotta bend also nested into another cast iron pipe connected to PVC connected to cast iron again leading into a brick and concrete-block septic tank originally built in the 1950's. Both connections to the terracotta bend leak, which means tree roots have found entries. And, lo and behold, the pipe travels uphill to the tank. Who woulda guessed that? No wonder we can't flush toilet paper for more than three days after snaking the pipe.
Larry decided power equipment was too brutal for the sensitive area where the septic pipe co-habitates underground with power wires and water pipes. His brother brought over a professional concrete cutting saw, so they could cut out the pad for the outdoor shower Larry also had to remove. The sturdy lattice privacy panels surrounding steel walls for the shower stall sat directly over the bend in the septic pipe. Underneath was a nest of roots, as expected. The pipe was a conglomerate of cast-iron pipe nested into a terracotta bend also nested into another cast iron pipe connected to PVC connected to cast iron again leading into a brick and concrete-block septic tank originally built in the 1950's. Both connections to the terracotta bend leak, which means tree roots have found entries. And, lo and behold, the pipe travels uphill to the tank. Who woulda guessed that? No wonder we can't flush toilet paper for more than three days after snaking the pipe.
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